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By llimllib
Thu May 27th, 2004 at 02:25:13 PM EST

llimllib's Diary

And it's not meta wankery, Iraq, or Bush related!

I want to get a job in the western US. I live in the eastern US. How does one go about doing this? Should I go out there, be a bum for a while, and hope to find a job quick? apply for some from here?

Discussion and further questions inside.


I just graduated from college the saturday before last with a computer science degree. Now, I have a year off before I plan on going to grad schools, and in that year, I'd like to explore the West somehow. Right now, I only have a few hundred dollars and an old car to my name. How should I go about it? Have any of you done it?

Assuming I even got one of these jobs, how would I pay for living when I got out there? I wouldn't even have the money for a down payment on a place to live.

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Qvestion for K5 | 22 comments (22 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)
couple recommendations (none / 0) (#12)
by SocratesGhost on Thu May 27th, 2004 at 05:23:22 PM EST

Few employers nowadays will pay for relocation, especially in California where there is a glut on almost every type of programmer. Most employers will see your out of state address and phone number and immediately eliminate you on this basis alone. If you can relocate yourself before submitting your resume, this is best. Alternatively, if you have any friends in the area, use their contact info as your contact info so it makes you appear local. Just be ready to travel quickly for an interview.

Do not lie to your future employer about where you really are, but indicate that you're using a friend's house as a base of operation until you move yourself. This way, you've made it past the relocation hurdle. You never know, they may be amenable to giving a relocation package especially if you've specialized in some sort of niche.

If you know the area to which you're going to move, start getting the local paper as often as you can. Libraries can be helpful in this way. I find that online classifieds are still behind the print ads for jobs.

A moving tip: sell your car. Buy an old school bus. I'm not kidding. They are cheaper to buy than you'd expect and then after you reach your destination, you can sell it usually for a profit. I know 3 people who came to San Diego in this manner, including one guy who drove it to work for about 2 months until he had a buyer.

-Soc
I drank what?


thanks (none / 0) (#15)
by llimllib on Thu May 27th, 2004 at 05:37:24 PM EST
(llimllib at f2o .. org)

Unfortunately, I have no friends west of the mississippi. I agree with you that applying for jobs when I live out here is probably a waste of time, so my plan is to work for a while until I have the cash to get my feet under me there, then to get some sort of job.

Re: the bus. Why would a bus be cheaper here than anywhere else? Also, with gas the way it is, wouldn't that cost me a significant amount?

Peace.
[ Parent ]

Maybe (none / 1) (#18)
by SocratesGhost on Thu May 27th, 2004 at 06:15:21 PM EST

All 3 guys who came out here knew each other and all came from (I think) Cinncinnati. The first one had the idea and the rest followed him. Perhaps it was luck, but I always guessed that the reason they could sell it for more out here is that California is more of a car culture. I simply cannot understand how anyone can live without a car. When I came back from Japan and wanted to use mass transit to go the 15 miles to college, I found that I could get there faster by biking. So, I think there's greater demand for vehicles and parts than in other places, at least that was my guess.

Also, they each had a lot of stuff to move, so the bus replaced the cost of renting a moving van. Basically, it was a moving van that paid for itself. I'd recommend just checking the classifieds in both areas to see if it makes sense for you.

-Soc
I drank what?


[ Parent ]
Move first ... (none / 1) (#8)
by Mr.Surly on Thu May 27th, 2004 at 05:08:04 PM EST

... then just stop into any McDonald's where you'd like to live and pick up an application.

mcjobs for everyone! (none / 0) (#14)
by llimllib on Thu May 27th, 2004 at 05:33:48 PM EST
(llimllib at f2o .. org)

__that is all__

Peace.
[ Parent ]
Did it, worked out great. (none / 3) (#7)
by undermyne on Thu May 27th, 2004 at 04:16:58 PM EST
(undermyne at gmail dot com)

Submit resume's now and try to line up interviews before you go, when I came down from canada I had 3 interviews for the week that I arrived. See dice.com for job listings. For the west coast, it is THE job board regardless of what anyone tells you.

Drive your car out, stay at hostels or KOA campgrounds on your way out.

When you get where your going, find a hostel to stay in while you get established. Depending on where you choose to go, KOA campgrounds would work too. Be prepared to stay for for a couple months (may not take that long).

When you get where you are going, find an evening job at a place where you can get free food (restaurant), do not mention said employment in job interviews.

Don't be a stickler on pay, its an employers market still. Get your foot in the door and work your way up either at that company or parlay that experience into a new job (give two weeks, only quit after the new job is in place).

Happy hunting!


"you godamn cracker, shut..the..godamn..fuck..up" thekubrix
thanks (none / 0) (#13)
by llimllib on Thu May 27th, 2004 at 05:33:19 PM EST
(llimllib at f2o .. org)

I hadn't thought of staying at hostels or campgrounds before; that's a good idea. Thanks for the tips.

Peace.
[ Parent ]
do you have any experience? (none / 2) (#6)
by thekubrix on Thu May 27th, 2004 at 03:55:44 PM EST
http://www.bapudi.com

and writing "html" sure as shit doesn't count....

you're part of the unwashed masses that enjoyed napster and messenger so much that they chose CS...

look into temp agencies, there are some that specialize in IT work, but even they want experience

hows your burger flipping?

Bapudi!

fortunately, I have experience (none / 0) (#11)
by llimllib on Thu May 27th, 2004 at 05:17:53 PM EST
(llimllib at f2o .. org)

__thanks though__

Peace.
[ Parent ]
A few options (none / 3) (#5)
by the dehorned unicorn on Thu May 27th, 2004 at 03:55:13 PM EST

1) Save up in advance. Get a job where you are; aim to be there a year tops. Spend no dime you don't have to. You'll probably want to have $3000 ; but with luck you can make do with less. When you've got the money, you've got enough for an apartment and food, and bare necessities for 2-3 months; spend all your effort finding a job after you've got an apartment. It's probably best to get a 3 month lease, since you might want to move to be closer to work, or move once you're more familiar with the area.

2) Get a job. Start applying out west until you get someone who'll give you a job. Places are less likely to want to interview people from further away, but college grads are a bit of an exception. Especially since you're coming from college the job might pay to relocate you. Note; they won't pay ahead, they'll reimburse you. Remember, it might be as much as 4 weeks from when they sign you before you see a cent.

I did number 2. This was just before the dot bomb crash, so while I found a place who was willing to reimburse my plane fair (they hired me on friday to start on monday, with phone interviews only... they were desperate for a sysadmin), and I even got them to agree to reimburse me within a week. I had 1500, and I was lucky enough to know someone in the area who let me crash at his place. However, $300 for the plane ticket; money to rent a car (which later was reimbursed); gas driving 60 miles round trip; $800 first months rent $500 security deposit. I'm lucky I had room on my credit card when I made this jump; or I'd have been short being able to get the money together to get the place I did.

Either way you look at it, in order to have a chance at being successful, you'll need a non-trivial amount of money, so unless you know of a place who's willing to do everything to get you out there (back in the day, MS would handle plane tickets/car rental/and set you up in a hotel for a month so you wouldn't have to do out of pocket and later get compensated), you should get a loan from your parents, or start working where you are.

thanks (none / 0) (#10)
by llimllib on Thu May 27th, 2004 at 05:17:12 PM EST
(llimllib at f2o .. org)

1 is pretty much my plan. I'm living at home and I'm getting a job, so I plan on saving every cent I can. Easier here than at school, because I don't have any friends here.

Peace.
[ Parent ]
ooh (none / 1) (#4)
by reklaw on Thu May 27th, 2004 at 03:53:23 PM EST
(twalker@gmail.com)

I just graduated from college the saturday before last with a computer science degree.

Ouch.

--
uk web design

you know what I just realized? (none / 0) (#9)
by llimllib on Thu May 27th, 2004 at 05:16:00 PM EST
(llimllib at f2o .. org)

that your screenname is "walker" backwards!

Peace.
[ Parent ]
hmm (none / 0) (#17)
by reklaw on Thu May 27th, 2004 at 05:58:44 PM EST
(twalker@gmail.com)

and yours is... uh.. Bill Mill?

--
uk web design
[ Parent ]
oh, but to make sense of that comment (none / 0) (#20)
by llimllib on Thu May 27th, 2004 at 06:48:59 PM EST
(llimllib at f2o .. org)

I had always figured your sn was some sort of comment on being a rebel or something - you know "wreck law" - and you might still have chosen it for that reason. However, I'd never realized that it was also "walker" backwards, which is similar to my use of my name backwards. As a final point, I never looked at your email address until after I made the backwards realization.

Peace.
[ Parent ]
heh (none / 0) (#21)
by reklaw on Thu May 27th, 2004 at 08:33:08 PM EST
(twalker@gmail.com)

I'm quite fond of the way it reads as "wreck law", but really it's just cos I'm unoriginal. I had assumed that the email address would give me away with most people, though.

Also, if my name rhymed, I wouldn't put it backwards. Rhyming names rule.

--
uk web design
[ Parent ]

they sure do (none / 0) (#22)
by llimllib on Thu May 27th, 2004 at 08:55:01 PM EST
(llimllib at f2o .. org)

I love my name, and my kid will have my name. However, in real life I have already answered the "does your name really rhyme?" question 1000 times, and I have no desire to spend time answering it online. Plus, when people ask it IRL, they're usually girls, and it's a great conversation starter. Online, it's geeky guys.

Peace.
[ Parent ]
indeed it is (none / 0) (#19)
by llimllib on Thu May 27th, 2004 at 06:43:12 PM EST
(llimllib at f2o .. org)

__my name rhymes__

Peace.
[ Parent ]
Finding a job far away... (none / 3) (#2)
by claes on Thu May 27th, 2004 at 03:09:55 PM EST

The days are over when I'd relocate without a job, but I have done it in the past. It's kind of exhilarating.

You could try head-hunters in the area, if you've got a reasonable skill set. Or you could try the old interpersonal network[1]. Ask around and see if anyone knows anyone where you're trying to go in the business. Then try to get an introduction.

Getting into a big company and then asking for a transfer, might that work? I've never really worked for a big place.

Actually, re-reading your post, I'd say find something locally, hunker down and save every penny for 6 months, working every day till you drop (to tired to spend then), quit, hit the road, and then see how long you can make your saved money last.

-- claes

[1] which in our cyber-enriched present, is what you are doing, I guess.

hadn't thought of it that way (none / 0) (#3)
by llimllib on Thu May 27th, 2004 at 03:23:27 PM EST
(llimllib at f2o .. org)

but I suppose I was cyber networking. bah - I sound like a blogger throwing around buzzwords now.

Anyway, my basic plan is pretty much what you say. I think I'm gonna stay at home for a while, get a shit job, and work until the wintertime, saving up my money. Then I'll go out there and try to get a job.

Peace.
[ Parent ]

First off, congratulations. (none / 1) (#1)
by misfit13b on Thu May 27th, 2004 at 02:42:28 PM EST

I hope your car is comfortable. A few hundred dollars will probably just get you out there, with the gas prices and all that.

Why not try youth hostels? I use 'em when I travel w/o the wife.

As far as the job market, I dunno, ask willj. I know he's lookin'.

gas is ridiculous (none / 1) (#16)
by llimllib on Thu May 27th, 2004 at 05:41:03 PM EST
(llimllib at f2o .. org)

especially with connecticut's high gas prices.

As for hostels, I like that option, and I hadn't considered those before.

Also, the sawx are kicking ass and taking names, and being home means I get to watch the games.

Peace.
[ Parent ]

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